tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post3765286657486361113..comments2023-08-07T16:41:49.660+02:00Comments on Die Klimazwiebel: Reconciliation in the Climate Debateeduardohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17725131974182980651noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-41609981719039175422011-02-12T06:31:09.342+01:002011-02-12T06:31:09.342+01:00Thanks Werner, my German is a bit rusty but I thin...Thanks Werner, my German is a bit rusty but I think I got the gist of the comments on your thread from 41 on.Hendrik Haknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-35222575728708330142011-02-09T11:15:24.957+01:002011-02-09T11:15:24.957+01:00@Hendrik han
I hope you speak / read German! I com...@Hendrik han<br />I hope you speak / read German! I completely forgot that you posed your question in English which of course would have deserved an answer in English!Werner Krausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15094636819952421339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-11779605248974160852011-02-09T10:32:52.544+01:002011-02-09T10:32:52.544+01:00@Hendrik Hak 12
Ralph hat recht, ich antworte also...@Hendrik Hak 12<br />Ralph hat recht, ich antworte also oben auf "Ich bin nur Geologe" auf Ihre Frage.Werner Krausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15094636819952421339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-25238141296332805042011-02-09T09:59:01.763+01:002011-02-09T09:59:01.763+01:00@ Hendrik Hak
McKitricks notes have been proposed...@ Hendrik Hak<br /><br />McKitricks notes have been proposed for discussion in the neighbour blog "Ich bin nur Geologe" (comment N° 23) - without any reaction yet. <br /><br />I think McKitricks critical approach is worth to be considered in the debate.<br /><br />Meanwhile Judy Curry weighs in on her Blog ...<br /><br />http://judithcurry.com/2011/02/08/lisbon-workshop-on-reconciliation-part-vii-mckitricks-comments/#more-2275<br /><br />RalphAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-5990539629143646132011-02-09T03:21:33.286+01:002011-02-09T03:21:33.286+01:00Werner, would you or others like to comment on Ros...Werner, would you or others like to comment on Ross McKitrick's article which he planned to present at the Lisbon Conference ( don't know whether he did or didn't end up presenting it).<br />Is he overly critical of the IPCC particularly when he draws an analogy with an imaginary IMF version of the IPCC? <br /><br />http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/mckitrick_preliminary_notes.pdfHendrik Haknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-64452104868202664232011-02-04T04:23:09.994+01:002011-02-04T04:23:09.994+01:00severn wrote:
"The only thing I can conclude ...severn wrote:<br />"The only thing I can conclude from reading this is that this conference (apart from an excuse for a break in Portugal, is a displacement activity to avoid actually addressing the science - the theory and the evidence."<br /><br />I have no doubt that this is a true statement.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01575178552426939685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-63254512672770684942011-02-03T17:50:22.385+01:002011-02-03T17:50:22.385+01:00The only thing I can conclude from reading this is...The only thing I can conclude from reading this is that this conference (apart from an excuse for a break in Portugal, is a displacement activity to avoid actually addressing the science - the theory and the evidence.<br /><br />Scientific theory is tested by evidence, and is strengthened by passing tests that could fail the theory. In four years of following this climate science "debate" closely, I have yet to see the 'sceptics' even attempt any significant refutation of the so-called 'consensus'.<br /><br />'Auditing' the scientists for alleged misbehaviour and hacking away at parts of the body of the science (like the hockey stick) as if they were the whole looks to me like an admission that the scientific debate has been pretty well settled on the basics. Of course every scientist knows that there is always debate at the leading edge.<br /><br />And the IPCC is a diversion too - the science is in the published literature, and it's evident that the 'sceptics' rarely read it.severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-36546694289764815902011-02-01T19:12:12.480+01:002011-02-01T19:12:12.480+01:00True, Werner (#5) - I let it as it is. I did not c...True, Werner (#5) - I let it as it is. I did not consider the comment as an insult, but as lack of substance. But I have to yield to your argument. - HansHans von Storchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778028673130006646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-14113597653456873982011-02-01T19:00:47.113+01:002011-02-01T19:00:47.113+01:00Hans #5, in general, I agree, but there is somethi...Hans #5, in general, I agree, but there is something I like about this statement:<br />"Silliness to be expected from an anthropoligist."<br />For two reasons: <br />1) Anthropologist is really a difficult word to write, <br />2)and didn't I praise in Lisbon the "idiot" as the one who prefers not to be mobilized, agitated or educated? Instead, the idiot slows down the mobilizers and one-dimensional activists - something we did or tried to achieve in Lisbon, I guess. <br />Thus, to be called "silly" is not only an insult, I guess.Werner Krausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15094636819952421339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-18665114660682694552011-02-01T13:32:53.874+01:002011-02-01T13:32:53.874+01:00oh, claro, peço desculpa, sr. Rija.Vou corrigir im...oh, claro, peço desculpa, sr. Rija.Vou corrigir imediatamente.Werner Krausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15094636819952421339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-79993622498957758262011-02-01T12:33:52.828+01:002011-02-01T12:33:52.828+01:00Hey, it's "Clima de ninguém", not &q...Hey, it's "Clima de ninguém", not "Climate de ninguém" ;).<br /><br />Know your portuguese, if you are trying to teach it ;).Barba Rijahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514373829674181118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-51266203836962194012011-02-01T08:06:42.025+01:002011-02-01T08:06:42.025+01:00T's comment #4 is a good example of a useless ...T's comment #4 is a good example of a useless rant, which will later be deleted. Next time, T, you certainly will try to <i>argue</i> and not just demonstrate that you have a narrow-minded - though legitimate - opinion about your own "Truth".Hans von Storchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778028673130006646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-52642591776972201032011-02-01T03:03:10.363+01:002011-02-01T03:03:10.363+01:00"We are all in the same boat, scientists and ..."We are all in the same boat, scientists and laypeople, and climate change is a collective experiment."<br /><br />Silliness to be expected from an anthropoligist. <br /><br />The climate is what it is, and it only takes an individual to perceive the Truth.Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291833576294577818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-56571671307907910002011-01-31T11:38:25.751+01:002011-01-31T11:38:25.751+01:00@pointer #2
I rephrased the sentence; hope it make...@pointer #2<br />I rephrased the sentence; hope it makes more sense now.Werner Krausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15094636819952421339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-7211913450188930052011-01-31T10:55:37.967+01:002011-01-31T10:55:37.967+01:00This sentence:
"In my view, in its most dens...This sentence:<br /><br />"In my view, in its most dense moments, the atmosphere became almost one of conspiracy theory and made me wonder whether there will really be a possibility of reconciliation - the hockey stick and climategate are open wounds and it is hard to imagine how there will be ever done justice to those hurt and overrun by those who are in charge of the IPCC process."<br /><br />makes more sense when you remove the word "almost".pointernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-88092065254014972922011-01-31T03:11:59.658+01:002011-01-31T03:11:59.658+01:00"a valuable tool for good thinking and humili..."a valuable tool for good thinking and humility."<br /><br />If so, a great step forward. For far too long in climate science, good thinking has been rare and humility nearly non-existent.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01575178552426939685noreply@blogger.com