tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post3898359328517643306..comments2023-08-07T16:41:49.660+02:00Comments on Die Klimazwiebel: Mathis Hampel: Think Locally, Act Globallyeduardohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17725131974182980651noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-74094837532208316192011-12-14T15:11:03.336+01:002011-12-14T15:11:03.336+01:00I agree that the distinction between local and glo...I agree that the distinction between local and global isn't terribly useful here; thinking in terms of space and place definitely helps. For Latour, knowledge of a phenomenon such as climate functions as a network which is necessarily 'local' at all points (like Mathis's 'glocal'). For such knowledge to achieve a status of scientific authenticity, it requires a rhetoric of placelessness; an unmediated access to a knowable and coherent 'space'. Doreen Massey writes that "the view of the coherence of space in turn enables the existence of only one history, one voice, one speaking position", and thus no politics (or at least diminished politics). In these terms, the Kyoto logjam seems somewhat inevitable. Perhaps some Hartwellian pragmatism can begin to open up the spaces of climate to new politics, histories, trajectories, and ways of knowing.Martin Mahonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-68180737047797526072011-12-14T12:12:16.844+01:002011-12-14T12:12:16.844+01:00ok, it makes immediate sense, thus raises suspicio...ok, it makes immediate sense, thus raises suspicions. as you know, it allows for the old binary of eg real/virtual, local/global, space/time. Many would argue against such a distinction (not least quantum physicists).<br /><br />climate exists in all of these (basically non-hierarchical) spaces, in space-times rather than space/time. in glocal configurations rather than local/global ones.<br /><br />Kyoto as we know it is based on / rather than - thinking. At the moment It would be pretty daring to argue for a new, better thought-out treaty. but ... there is a window of opportunity.Mathis Hampelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06315386616041612513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-32807062193014786452011-12-14T11:39:15.137+01:002011-12-14T11:39:15.137+01:00virtual space - like on the internet; the globe - ...virtual space - like on the internet; the globe - when we talk about globalization; the nation. Does this make sense?Werner Krausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15094636819952421339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-12312178319585526832011-12-14T11:12:29.617+01:002011-12-14T11:12:29.617+01:00Werner, what do you mean by "abstract spaces&...Werner, what do you mean by "abstract spaces"?Mathis Hampelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06315386616041612513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-81578514253980881012011-12-14T09:35:40.202+01:002011-12-14T09:35:40.202+01:00Mathis, I think these are very interesting observa...Mathis, I think these are very interesting observations. For sure, scientific climate is of a different quality than personal memories of climates we experienced (which are mediated, too, by the way - we remember through pictures, family narrations and so on). <br /><br />But nonetheless, we act a lot in abstract spaces, for example on the Internet, in economy, and so on. We do this by acting locally and connecting to other locales in more or less orderly chains of transport.For example, every day ships from China come into the port of Hamburg: global trade, it works! And there are rules to it! It is even controlled, more or less. So why not have negotiations about carbon trade, about emission reduction, about technology transfer, about mutual support or whatsoever? Kyoto maybe failed not because those treaties are impossible; maybe it failed because it was a not very well thought-out treaty?Werner Krausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15094636819952421339noreply@blogger.com