tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post5049869275397152950..comments2023-08-07T16:41:49.660+02:00Comments on Die Klimazwiebel: The arrogance of Cancúneduardohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17725131974182980651noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-26090595973756634942010-12-19T14:38:39.471+01:002010-12-19T14:38:39.471+01:00Whatever else he may believe, he certainly got thi...Whatever else he may believe, he certainly got this right -- "To affirm or to deny climate change supposes that we understand our planet well, that we know how it reacts – both now and for the next hundred years – and that we have the appropriate technological fix. This is plain and simple nonsense, and intolerably arrogant."<br /><br />Two generations hence, our grandchildren will look at the hubris that infected so many and wonder how such foolishness became so rampant. They will shake their heads in disbelief and ask why normal processes of proof were suspended, why the scientific method was abandoned, and why scientific institutions were allowed to be hijacked by a political movement.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01575178552426939685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-53573767926888923212010-12-17T14:27:14.366+01:002010-12-17T14:27:14.366+01:00@ Björn
the key term is dignity (if you follow the...@ Björn<br />the key term is dignity (if you follow the Zapatistas link):<br /><br />"Rather than manage the climate catastrophe, as the neoliberal establishment is attempting to do, the climate justice movement chooses to use the crisis as an opportunity — perhaps the last opportunity — to construct dignity."<br /><br />This is a different symbolic universe. Dignity implies a social relationship; it is not only about reducing CO2 emissions or feed the poor and needy; it is about equity between North and South and about respect for people and nature or climate.<br />In this view, science is not negated, but it is under suspicion of collaborating with capitalism. There is no dignity and no respect in geo-engineering only or in management strategies. (The Zapatistas might know what they talk about, by the way.)<br /><br />Left wing? For sure!Werner Krausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15094636819952421339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-60991376948499888622010-12-17T11:38:43.820+01:002010-12-17T11:38:43.820+01:00To read
To affirm or to deny climate change suppo...To read<br /><br /><i>To affirm or to deny climate change supposes that we understand our planet well, that we know how it reacts – both now and for the next hundred years – and that we have the appropriate technological fix. This is plain and simple nonsense, and intolerably arrogant.<br /></i><br /><br />confuses me, to be honest. Is Gustavo Esteva a sceptics who doubts the Greenhouse theory and the impact of CO2 on global warming? On the other hand, he considers Kyoto a "timid step in the right direction".<br /><br />On another note: "changing the system", is this that very old-fashioned leftist notion of telling us "changing human species", that has so dramatically and mortally failed wherever it has been tried?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18092055723308277951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-12355625673851469062010-12-17T10:35:54.468+01:002010-12-17T10:35:54.468+01:00Of course, Werner, and you know better than me, as...Of course, Werner, and you know better than me, as you have just corrected me, you super gringo ;-) <br /><br />Subcommandante Hans has expressed doubts about cycling your way out of climate crisis.<br /><br />Maybe the paramilitary lexis does not carry very far.@ReinerGrundmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12759452975366986236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-28904840781826785042010-12-16T21:46:39.194+01:002010-12-16T21:46:39.194+01:00I just followed the Zapatista link which is highli...I just followed the Zapatista link which is highlighted in the text. It displays a great photo of subcomandante Marcos and an interesting manifesto obviously inspired by him:<br />“The corporations and governments of the so-called ‘developed’ countries, in complicity with a segment of the scientific community, have led us to discuss climate change as a problem limited to the rise in temperature without questioning the cause, which is the capitalist system.”<br /><br />Just like our subcommandante Hans, they find individual action useless:<br />"Probably the most commonly asked question of people just arriving at a deep concern for the ecological crisis is, “What can I, as an individual, do to make things better?” The simple answer, which I learned from living among Zapatista villagers, is nothing; (...) the Earth won't be affected by our individual actions, only our collective impact."<br /><br />But in the way to act, the subcommandantes differ: Hans wants technology, simple and pure, while Marcos wants poetry. He quotes the great poet Gary Snyder, who says the best way to protect the environment is to stay home. Which is exactly what the Zapatistas are fighting for: to call the place where they live home. <br />In consequence, for "them", the earth is not a technological management problem, but a place to inhabit and to live in. <br />I consider this an interesting difference. I wonder whether there is much dialog possible.<br /><br />By the way, gringo Reiner, you behave like a typical first worlder: you correct the indigenous statement ("The challenge is certainly bigger than he imagines..."). That's what we do: know things better. I doubt that the Zapatistas agree.Werner Krausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15094636819952421339noreply@blogger.com