tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post7688272186504975133..comments2023-08-07T16:41:49.660+02:00Comments on Die Klimazwiebel: Climate Soap Opera, new episodeeduardohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17725131974182980651noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-74016301499100238872010-01-30T15:51:04.960+01:002010-01-30T15:51:04.960+01:00I come up with a new role model. That is "an ...I come up with a new role model. That is "an honest alarmist" (no joking). I think that the society needs such persons that points to the dangerous end of the likely outcome. They must have estimates of the probability of the affairs (even though it is usually just subjective) ready to be communicated, and the value should not be negligibly small. For example, a journalist may communicate the summary of IPCC AR4 as "the warming may be 6.4 deg. C in 2100" (if the space is very short), but he/she should add an "honest alarmist" flag.<br /><br />The counterpart may be called "an honest easygoer" (rather than "... skeptic"). He/she may commuicate IPCC AR4 as "the warming may be as small as 1 deg. C in 2100" with an appropriate flag.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13437041108856598560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-74777045409346414502010-01-28T11:43:55.845+01:002010-01-28T11:43:55.845+01:00Yes Werner, let's step back for a while and le...Yes Werner, let's step back for a while and leave the floor, exit climatologists, enter not only ethnologists (why not ethologists), but also theologists - for AGW-believers and -nonbelievers - , poets and scenario writers. In this soap opera we have seen and will continue to see splendid performances on both sides, with real-world typecasting and deepening of the characters. High emotions, hardly moderated. More than enough ingredients to feed a whole bunch of dramawriters. Enough stuff for a long series of kings drama's, just wait for the re-incarnation of Shakespeare. <br />Some basic material has already been laid down in pictures like Al Gore's "truth" on one side, and the "swindle" for the contrarian side. But there is more to come, even from a higher - as some like to think - cultural level: not a soap opera but an opera seria or perhaps an opera buffa titled: "La scomoda verità", for non-Italians also known as "An inconvenient truth". See: <br />http://klimaat.web-log.nl/klimaat/2009/04/al-gore-alloper.html and<br />http://klimaat.web-log.nl/klimaat/2010/01/al-gore-alloper.html<br />Both in Dutch, but that should not be a problem with the multilingual readers of this blog. Be sure to book your chair early in the Scala of Milan.Marcel Severijnennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-49288563533220939622010-01-27T19:55:07.861+01:002010-01-27T19:55:07.861+01:00Thanks Kooiti. Trauffetter repeats the error that ...Thanks Kooiti. Trauffetter repeats the error that New Scientist first published the 2035 claim. In fact, it was Down to Earth, which was also appears to be the source of the table in the IPCC section on Himalayan glaciers. It is not absolutely clear yet how Down to Earth came to publish this figure, but it could be that they, like New Scientist, were given this impression by Hasnain. They certainly mistakenly used Kotlyakov's figures of 500.000 to 100,000 square metres reduction of all extrapolar glaciation to apply to the Himalyas alone. Trauffeter seems to think that 2035 derives as a typo from Kotlyakov's 2350 figure, but this is an assumption not a confirmed fact.<br /><br />I am amazed that we have not yet heard anything from Down to Earth.Leigh Jacksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-60348541961033397042010-01-27T15:35:58.876+01:002010-01-27T15:35:58.876+01:00The English article mentioned by Marco (#3) is Chr...The English article mentioned by Marco (#3) is Christopher Seideler (20 Jan. 2010)<br />"UN climate experts under fire for glacier melt error", which is the English version of the article mentioned in the previous article here by Reiner Grundman (19 Jan. 2010) "Schellnhuber calls for reform of IPCC".<br /><br />The English version of the article mentioned this time is Gerhald Trauffetter (27 Jan. 2010) "Can climate forecasts still be trusted?" http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,674087,00.html .<br /><br />There is also another article by Richard Tol, Roger Pielke and Hans von Storch (25 Jan. 2010) "Save the panel on climate change!", which is mentioned by the article by Werner Krauss (25 Jan. 2010) "Save the IPCC". The URL of the English version is shown in the comment #1 (anonymous).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13437041108856598560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-63536660147308553372010-01-27T12:03:34.054+01:002010-01-27T12:03:34.054+01:00Is there an English translation? For me what all t...Is there an English translation? For me what all this is about is the relationship between science of climate change and politics.<br /><br />Politics in the most general. So, the aggregate of all human interactions connected with the science of climate change and in particular human caused climate change.<br /><br />"The Media" is a world of politics unto itself. Determining and expressing scientific consensus is a world of politics unto itself.<br /><br />And so on, and all those worlds clash, resolve, disolve over time.<br /><br />I am interested in how society adapts or fails to adapt to new science. How society deals with the challenges to existing human institutions and belief structures thrown up by new scientific knowledge.<br /><br />Some examples. The war between religious conservatives and secularists fighting over Darwin. The battle between anti-vivisectionists and animal researchers. The "naturalist" medicine challenge to "reductionist" medicine.Leigh Jacksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-21183908594476733882010-01-26T08:05:44.164+01:002010-01-26T08:05:44.164+01:00Richard: I guess that makes it THREE pieces: there...Richard: I guess that makes it THREE pieces: there's also Werner Krauss' piece.Marcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07262670367947223521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-364716552260420682010-01-25T21:59:49.711+01:002010-01-25T21:59:49.711+01:00@Marco
There are two pieces. One by Pielke, Storch...@Marco<br />There are two pieces. One by Pielke, Storch and myself; and one by Traufetter.<br /><br />Traufetter had read our draft and talked to us, but he tells his own version of the story.richardtolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14239680555557587153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-86307058239573618622010-01-25T17:44:57.601+01:002010-01-25T17:44:57.601+01:00The English version in Der Spiegel (yeah, yeah, I ...The English version in Der Spiegel (yeah, yeah, I know, not a translation, different author and such) is quite different:<br /><br />http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,672975,00.html<br /><br />The sad thing of this whole affair is that many Himalayan glaciers ARE melting rapidly.Marcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07262670367947223521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-86491125033917652952010-01-25T17:33:33.393+01:002010-01-25T17:33:33.393+01:00I like the header: "Melting Trust"I like the header: "Melting Trust"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-52920673463242616902010-01-25T17:10:35.480+01:002010-01-25T17:10:35.480+01:00Werner, to deal with these questions we need ethno...Werner, to deal with these questions we need ethnologists. So, go to work!Hans von Storchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778028673130006646noreply@blogger.com