tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post8245940458382990683..comments2023-08-07T16:41:49.660+02:00Comments on Die Klimazwiebel: Re-thinking adaptation after Sandyeduardohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17725131974182980651noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-56094884009170400902013-01-15T14:49:10.253+01:002013-01-15T14:49:10.253+01:00Thanks, Werner for this very nice piece. I enjoyed...Thanks, Werner for this very nice piece. I enjoyed very much to learn about the non-technical aspects of disaster resilience. The Chicago heatwave example is very enlightening (living in poor but social intact neighborhood ~= having an air-conditioner in each room!)<br /><br />Afraid I see something less encouraging in this article too: The space of adaption measures mentioned is as least as political as the mitigation discussion and overlaps it.<br /><br />Wouldn't anybody not think that the fact that the US power-grid is in such a miserable shape, compared to the super-duper Dutch one, is related to the fact that US power supply is completely private, whereas the Dutch one is almost completely publicly owned? (And the private ownership of the German electricity infrastructure causes a major headache in the implementation of the "Energiewende"?) <br /><br />Klinenberg makes the "resistance of the cellular industry to efforts to regulate it" responsible for the nice-weather-only performance of the US comm. infrastructure. "'We have a public interest in building robust networks,' Feld says. 'And by now it's clear that we're not going to get them by letting industry regulate itself.'"<br /><br />Jacob promotes, instead of a big fat dam, spatial reorganization, which would likely meet the resistance of those with nice beach front property.<br /><br />It is no news to urban planners that healthy social structures are supposed to be enabled and fostered by their planning. These objectives however are in competition with economic ones -- which frequently win. Not to mention the "taxmoney for community center vs. taxcuts for my suburban one-family house" controversies. In cutting-edge pilot projects, social urban planning is often combined with energy efficiency, no cars policy, carbon footprint control, etc.<br /><br />All in all, in this local adaption space, I see pretty much the same ideological fault-lines as in the global mitigation debate.<br /><br />I would be very surprised if the "skeptics", who have the curiosity and attention-span to read the Klinenberg article to the end, would not use Jacob's quote: "More heat waves, wildfires, hurricanes and floods are to be expected. We are entering an age of extremes" as a proof that this is all a climate-lie based conspiracy to push the "socialist and communist" agenda. <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />hvwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-57209375827890793052013-01-15T12:09:22.680+01:002013-01-15T12:09:22.680+01:00Marc B,
someone like you who recently stated here...Marc B,<br /><br />someone like you who recently stated here on klimazwiebel that "the Greens are like Communists" shouldn't blame other people to be ideological. Thanks.<br /><br />Karl Kuhn,<br /><br />the observations of your colleague more or less fit with the overall description in the article, even though she cannot explain why it is that New York / US are so unprepared for a storm like this.<br /><br />But who said "that CO2 mitigation could replace Küstenschutz?" Sorry, but your remark does not make any sense in the context of this post, as far as I can see.Werner Krausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15094636819952421339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-21678054598614407462013-01-15T11:18:05.407+01:002013-01-15T11:18:05.407+01:00After Sandy I opened a discussion on the sinking o...After Sandy I opened a discussion on the sinking of the Bounty in seekajakforum.de. One discussant wrote:<br /><br />Hab gerade ne Kollegin zu Sandy befragt:<br />Sie war während Sandy mit ihrer Familie auf Herbstferien in New York... ist zwar gestranded aber denn doch bald weggekommen:<br />Ihre Aussage:<br />war halt wie ein Sturm häufiger bei uns an der Nordseeküste, kennen wir ja...<br />Nur das die dort extrem schlecht drauf vorbereitet sind...<br />kein Küstenschutz...(der ja bei uns selbstverständlich ist)<br />U-Bahnschächte fast auf Meereshöhe - klar, dass die vollaufen,<br />Häuser am Strand... (kein Deich davor, damit man besser sehen kann)...<br />Frei fleigende Verdratung... (gibt schöne Blitze und Feuerwerk im Sturm)<br />Pappschachteln als Häuser...<br />bei so einem lauen Lüftchen lacht der Ostfriese, die Amis geraten in Panik, weil das ganze Land nur ein Provisorium ist.<br /><br />That should put things a bit into perspective. Do we really think that CO2 mitigation could replace Küstenschutz? No, not even if we stopped emitting tomorrow.<br />Karl Kuhnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-39615845052011231722013-01-14T19:34:16.913+01:002013-01-14T19:34:16.913+01:00“It’s a cause of regret that we’re not responding ...“It’s a cause of regret that we’re not responding to the challenges of climate change with the same resources we’ve devoted to the war on terror."<br /><br /><br />The north central Atlantic coast of the United States was not hit by climate change. It was hit by a tropical cyclone. There have (effectively) always been such storms - many far stronger - and there always will be. The need to insert climate change inappropriately into the discussion of (stormy) weather preparation is a perverse hijacking of the always present topic for ideological purposes. <br /><br />Coastal communities need to be prepared for storms - now. If the scientific consensus were to change 180 degrees tomorrow, and all agreed that the climate was no longer changing, we would still have 'Sandys.' <br /><br />Mark B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03524735496130204611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8216971263350849959.post-80406099219768142012013-01-13T22:38:26.621+01:002013-01-13T22:38:26.621+01:00Eric Klinenberg wrote this book:
Klinenberg, E., ...Eric Klinenberg wrote this book:<br /><br />Klinenberg, E., 2002: <i>Heat Wave. A social autopsy of disaster in Chicago.</i> The University of Chicago Press, ISBN 0-226-44321-3, 305 pp.<br /><br />For me, this book was an eye opener, which displayed very clearly the constructed dimension of the issue of climate and climatic risks. And reiterated Brecht's words of the Holy Johanna: Das Unglück ist wie der Regen, den niemand machet. (Something like that). Why became Sandy a disaster - not because of a failure of the city's administration (incl. mayor), but something from outside, beyond the means of the city - climate change, unforeseeable and caused by sinister forces somewhere else.Hans von Storchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778028673130006646noreply@blogger.com